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#12578 wget, fron-end backup and security

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Latest post by nicholas on Friday, 08 June 2012 02:03 CDT

lister171254
Mandatory information about my setup:

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Joomla! version: 2.5.4
PHP version: 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.15
MySQL version: 5.1.62-0ubuntu0.10.04.1
Host: (optional, but it helps us help you) Ubuntu 10.04
Akeeba Backup version: Core 3.4.3 (2012-03-21)

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Description of my issue:

Not as much an issues as a question in regards to the security of using wget and the Front-end backup.

The way I read this is that the only thing preventing an outsider to use wget and the front-end is the password. If this is correct, then I guess the only real secure way of doing this is to upgrade to the professional version and use command line PHP

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager
That's correct. In principle. I have a slide in my security presentation which reads "Length matters". This is the case here. OK, before you think I am suggesting something dirty, Im talking about password length, not about body parts :)

By definition, the security of a web-accessible interface is only as secure as the password used. You can use a 64 characters long string consisting of a-z, 0-9 characters. That's 72 bits of randomness, giving 4.72 e21 combinations. This makes the fastest password breaker require about 2500 years to break it. However, since this is a web interface, the speed of the crack depends on the maximum requests per second the server can handle rather than the speed of the password breaker machine. In regular conditions (up to 10 requests per second) it would actually take 7500 billion years to break it. I would say that this quite secure, given that the age of planet Earth is just 4.5 billion years :)

So while in principle it is possible to brute force the password, it's not practically possible if a long enough password is used.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

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lister171254
While I agree with your comment I still prefer the option available in the Professional Edition (if I understand this correctly) as it doesn't use the front-end at all

Thanks

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager
Yes, that's correct, the Professional edition comes with the akeeba-backup.php command line script which call the backup engine directly, without going through the web.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡·Greek: native πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§English: excellent πŸ‡«πŸ‡·French: basic β€’ πŸ• My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

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